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Contents 1 Categories 2 Summary 3 Spells 4 Tables 5 Effects 6 Main Page 7 Help Articles 8 NWNWiki logo 9 Toolset Category 10 Warning template 11 Vacation 12 Article vs Category view 13 Style Guide 14 Purpose 15 Cascading Style Sheet 16 HCR documentation ??? 17 Lame excuses why I haven't been active 18 Spelling errors 19 Uploading Files 20 Spam Outbreak 21 Flushing/purging/archiving talk pages 22 Welcoming me

[edit] Categories

Yes I think that the category [[:Category:Character|Character]] could be removed. I will have a look at the articles, and add them to categories that I think they should be in and see what you think. The only problem is if a category for saves is made it will only have like 4 articles, but then the saves are the only one in character category that I have problems find another category for. -- Pstarky 04:30, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Thanks, Pstarky. FYI, to create a link to a category, the code wikicode is [[:Category:Character|Character]]. [[Category:Character]] adds the page to the category. See the difference? Also, discussion should be kept to a User's Talk page (this one as opposed to my user page). Thanks! -- Austicke 07:01, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Still a bit confused about the Link and Page info. Where should I link and where should make a page? Ok let me think about this abit (slow today :) ). This is going to sound stupid, but I just want to double check. So if I make a article and I have a sentence talking about a category and have a link to that category I add [[:Category:Character|Character]] but if I had added [[Category:Character]] there would no link in that sentence, but i would have made a article of that title in the category characters. Is that correct??? Do you want me to make link to the categorys from all the Character articles to the Category I think they should be in? -- Pstarky 07:33, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Yeah, you got it. Example:

• [[:Category:Test]] gives this: [[:Category:Test]] (A link to the category.)
• [[Category:Test]] gives this: [[Category:Test]] (Nothing, but look at the bottom of the page. This article is now in the [[:Category:Test|Test]] category.)

I'll look into how we want to handle [[:Category:Character]] later. I'm thinking we do want a Category:Saving Throws, because there are other Saving Throw related articles besides Fort, Reflex and Will. Most of the stuff in Character is already in Category:Game rules anyway. -- Austicke 09:59, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Yeah, we need to ditch [[:Category:Character]] altogether. I'm not sure [[:Category:Gameplay]] is needed either. BoW articles can just go in [[:Category:Bastions of War]]. I updated the category list on the Main Page. -- Austicke 10:53, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT) (Dead link removed. --The Krit 01:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC))

Yes I think your right about [[:Category:Gameplay]] aswell. As the other articles in that category have nothing to do with BoW, but with rules\NwN. They can got into [[:Category: Game rules]] or Category:Neverwinter Nights. Do you want help removing the [[Category:Character]] from the articles in that category? Do you want help with working out the [[:Category:Gameplay]] articles? -- Pstarky 11:04, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT) yes I really should remember the Show preview :P

Sure, yeah, let's remove Character and Gameplay. In most cases, the articles are also in Game rules or another category, so it's just a matter of deleting the line. Feel free to do it. If in doubt about which category it should go into, just leave it and I'll figure something out. Thanks! -- Austicke 11:10, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Looks good. Thanks, Pstarky. -- Austicke 11:53, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

lol I was just editing this page. Saying that I just done my first deletions. :P I do have to say that the upload imaging sure make the articles more eye pleasing. Good find with them. Do we want to remove [[:Category:Test]], as I think I understand that now. -- Pstarky 11:58, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Yeah, the images are nice. I've got one for every feat and spell too. *gulp* :) I'll edit out the category links on this page later, but let's leave it for now in case others want to follow this conversation. -- Austicke 12:01, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

--> Discussion moved to NWNWiki talk:Community Portal.

[edit] Summary

Just asking for info. When you make a change or edit something, most of the time you have a small line say what you have done. Eg (PStarky use the Show prewiew..... blah blah ) :P How do you do that? -- Pstarky 14:49, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

When you edit a page, there is a small Summary window below the edit window. It's good to put a short Summary of the change(s) you made. You should also check This is a minor edit if it's a trivial change. And you should always use Show preview before saving! Hehe. -- Austicke 14:55, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Thank you. -- Pstarky 14:58, 15 Jun 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Spells

Ok the main part of spells are finished at last. I will do some cleaning up with links and all. If I get to the [[:Category:Sorcerer Spells|Sorcerer]] and [[:Category:Wizard Spells|Wizards]] categorys, before the pictures are added. I will fix them -- Pstarky 11:23, 19 Jun 2005 (PDT)

Thanks, Pstarky. It's looking good. -- Austicke 11:30, 19 Jun 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Tables

• So what you think about this Table in article Cone of Cold? -- Pstarky 05:40, 20 Jun 2005 (PDT)
• Looks great! Nice. -- Austicke 19:31, 20 Jun 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Effects

• Effects Category, are you happy with all that is in there? As there are some from the .2da file that you sent me that I didn't add.They are to do with Abilities, skills, Feats, Magic, AC, AB and Damage that is talk about somewhere else. -- Pstarky 03:25, 30 Jun 2005 (PDT)
• I'll take a look at it. Some of the 2da entries have more to do with game mechanics than how it works in reality, so no problem if some are not included. Sorry I haven't had time to work on the wiki lately; I've been super busy at work. Hopefully I can find some free time soon, so I can contribute. -- Austicke 17:10, 30 Jun 2005 (PDT)
• Its cool, whenever you have time. I will have a look at setting up the Skills/Feats/Spell for BoW soon(So there a full list in the NwN part, then just the BoW changes in the BoW part). -- Pstarky 21:11, 30 Jun 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Main Page

• I hope you dont mind the changes I made on the main page. You like it? You can reword anything to sound better or make something look better. I will have a look around to see if I can find a NWN logo and uplaod it to add next to the BoW one. -- Pstarky 03:21, 3 Jul 2005 (PDT)
• Cool, NwN got a download called NWN FanSite Kit. If you want to have a look NWN FanSite Kit. Nice resource.
• I think we should ditch the BoW stuff and make this exclusively about NWN in general. We can have a category called Gameworlds where any servers can be entered and details can go on a single page (or just links to their web site). -- Austicke 05:17, 3 Jul 2005 (PDT)
• Ok, so we still going to have a BoW Wiki site (Do you want me to keep making articles for BoW changes, and remove the BoW Changes out of the NwN side)? or just linked to BoW Website. Is there anything else to do to the NwN side? Im at work at the moment, where do you get the images from so I can download, then upload/link to pages if possible.. -- Pstarky 05:25, 3 Jul 2005 (PDT)
• Yeah, I think we should remove the BoW stuff and make it about NWN in general. I hope to find the time to move the wiki to its own domain and then we can promote it to the NWN community. That would be great if you could help with the feat & spell graphics. I have them ready to go; they just need to be uploaded and added. Like I said, I just need to find a block of time. Hopefully soon. -- Austicke 19:40, 3 Jul 2005 (PDT)

• So we just going to have BoW website link in the Gameworlds? No BoWWike at all? (Double checking before I go and delete/Clean up BoW side of this Wiki) -- Pstarky 00:11, 4 Jul 2005 (PDT)'
• I think we should still have a 'BoWWike, because it could be a good recourse for Starting/Basic Character Building that is set around BoW environment. Just have a list of all the changed Classes/Skills/Feats/Spells to BoW. So when someone set up a build, they can link it to the changed class/skill/feat/spell to show the improvement or nerf for BoW, and add some info into the article why it works on BoW. Good recourse to the forums aswell? If we do want to have a BoWWike like this,(I think that was the main idea of this WIKI in the first place right? It was just own ideas got bigger. :P ) Is it possible to just copy this site to a NwNWike domain, so we have two copys at first. Then we just remove from each site what is not needed?? -- Pstarky 03:21, 4 Jul 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Help Articles

I was thinking of adding a Help article for Tables. Just a quick refence like you have done on editing. With all the wiki links that will be in the Help/Table articles, can we just link these to the wikipedia articles. For a example have a look at Help:Contents to see what I have done. I will have a look over the discussion we have had to see what else might be need for Help. Pstarky 04:52, 15 Aug 2005 (PDT)

Sounds good to me. -- Austicke 18:24, 15 Aug 2005 (PDT)

I have had a look at changing the links from wikipedia to Meta help pages. I cant work out a way to do this at all. The only way I see that this can be done is if we make all the links on these article External links to Meta. (Light blue) Is there way you know or can you have a look at it please? If it can be done show me and I do the rest of them. -- Pstarky 05:41, 4 Sep 2005 (PDT)

External links are fine. I'd prefer that people can easily tell they're leaving NWNWiki. -- Austicke 05:54, 4 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Ok I have linked most of it to Meta, but there are still some links going to Wikipedia. The reason for this is that Meta had these links going to Wikipedia aswell. I think I have got most of them. -- Pstarky 09:08, 4 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Cool, thanks! -- Austicke 09:26, 4 Sep 2005 (PDT)

[edit] NWNWiki logo

What do you think, workable with? The second file with plain black text look better smaller then the first one, thinking it would work it the top corner (for the link back to main page). The first one I think would look nice in we are still going have a heading on the main page as it is now. -- Pstarky 07:56, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Awesome. I think the one with the blue looks better in all cases. We definitely need to use it on the front page. I'm not sure it'll work as the upper left corner logo, because it needs to be small & square. Maybe we just keep the eye for that? -- Austicke 08:08, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Yep, Im cool with leaving the eye in the corner. -- Pstarky 08:10, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Blue edging is good, my problem is the over-use of the curl on NWNW. The proper NWN titles (from NWN, SoU & HotU) only use major squiggley bits on the first letter of the line. The way it is now spaces out the letters way to much & don't match the original product design. -- Defunc7 aka Mr. Always-forgets-to-sign-name

Yeah, it's because the capital letters are more stylized, and four together space it out. Pstarky, I see what you mean about the blue outline not looking as good in the smaller size. -- Austicke 09:15, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Pstarky, for the eye logo, do you have a way of making the background transparent, so it doesn't have the white box around it? I guess the background of the logo should be white, but it'd probably look better if the white background hugged the image instead of being a square. I don't know if that's possible. -- Austicke 09:16, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I'm gonna take a guess & say u don't have much of an idea what u'r doing :p mainly because u don't seem to have any direct control over letter spacing & because u don't seem to know what anti-aliasing is. I wouldn't recommend gif-transparency, it always looks rubbish. If u got access to a something which can save to .png, I'd advise that for trans as I'm pretty sure .png supports alpha-channels. -- Not gonna sign, 'cause u'r not the boss a me! :p

I just uploaded a different NWNWiki logo, what do you think? Might even look good in the corner too. I will fix the eye to be trans aswell. -- Pstarky 09:42, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Ok ppl stop playing games. What do you think about my other NWNWiki logo? -- Pstarky 12:03, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

with the drop-shadow? it certainly doesn't look anything like the NWN style now--Defunc7 12:16, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Its Neverwinter Font, just mostly in lowcase. Personaly I think it looks close to NWN, but different which I think is good. If I try and make the shadow like NWN it just looks bad when the logo is reduced smaller. Just giving options. -- Pstarky 12:22, 16 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I like the NWN-like highlighting better than the blue drop-shadow; but, if it can't be done for the size, then it looks like we have little choice. Thanks for the transparent upper left hand corner logo. -- Austicke 09:07, 17 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I've stuck up a couple of examples of my attempts on my user-page thingy. Can't get them into .png format as I don't have anything for that format atm but seeing as it's going on the front-page, which is white backing, I don't see transparency mattering atm. It's all fully scalable (independant horizontal & vertical) vector with the blue-fuzz re-applied to match correct scale. Still getting a bit of a prob since my letters doesn't quite follow NWN font exactly so I get gaps & adjusting the blue-fuzz borders isn't exactly exact. --Defunc7 12:07, 17 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I think we should go back to the transparent eye logo (no blue fuzz) as some custum skins of WIKI are yellow or some different colour and blue fuzz does not look great. I really cant have another go a the logo until Im back at work on Wednesday. I dont have Photoshop/Illustator at home. :| I could make the logo look more like the first one again with just the blue shadow. (no white, just like the two Exp packs) Only if I could get my hands on BioWare original artist files, I could do so much more with the logo. :) The files I get use out of the Fan Site Kits are kind of crappy. :| Do we like the one line or the two lines for the type better?-- Pstarky 17:27, 17 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Umm that Blue fuzz around the eye is from my file. Does anyone know why it doing that? -- Pstarky 19:45, 17 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I'm not actually sure how to change my skin & I don't know how many people visiting the site are gonna bother with that either (if we drop the transparency thing, it might not actually matter). Not sure what u mean about ur blue-fuzz from ur file. If it's photoshop it could be from a layer effect or something.--Defunc7 06:34, 18 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I only cared about transparency for the upper left corner logo, which is now done. -- Austicke 07:01, 18 Sep 2005 (PDT)

The skin is changed in your Preferences -- Pstarky 08:16, 18 Sep 2005 (PDT)

yea, I worked that out :p --Defunc7 08:37, 18 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Make a Banner for NWNWiki? -- Pstarky 21:37, 2 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Good idea! I'd love to see one. -- Austicke 11:19, 4 Oct 2005 (PDT)

We need to look at the NWNWiki logo again and get it to a likable stage. I never had anything to do with making banner, but Im guess it something to do with assign a hyper-links a .tga/.jpg etc file. I like to learn. White or Black Background? -- Pstarky 04:34, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Unfortunately, I know less than you. Perhaps post to NWNWiki talk:Community Portal#NWNWiki_logo? -- Austicke 06:25, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Well I had some more time to have a look at making a logo. What you think people?

For the main logo on the Main Page

For the corner logo if we want to replace it from the eye. (does it still not look great that small?)

-- Pstarky 12:42, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

kkkkssshshhhshhshs, what's kshhshshhskkkkkssss that? you're kkssshshshs breaking up! ... it still looks scratchy. I'd say keep the eye for the corner. -- Defunc7 13:42, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I like the new logo, Pstarky. How about adding it to the community portal for feedback? I agree with Defunc7 that the eye makes a better corner logo though. -- Austicke 14:29, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Seeing the small one on the web a home (did these logos at work), and I have to argee about keeping the eye. I will copy the main one to Comunity portal. -- Pstarky 15:15, 5 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Anti-alias it. Or just do a gaussian blur. --Miborovsky 18:49, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I've blurred it. Just a bit, though. See if you like this better. If not, feel free to revert. If you think it's too dark, feel free to correct it. This is a wiki after all. --Miborovsky 19:52, 8 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Toolset Category

Hi. I've added a few things to the toolset category. Well, let's restate that. I added an entry for the HardcoreRuleset and the rest just sort of grew from there. However, before I go hog wild here, I don't want to get into the same situation that NWN Resource Hunter or whatever his name was did. He didn't grasp the wiki concept very well and I do, I hope. However, I don't want to become a nuisance in my desire to contribute AND I certainly don't want to create more work for you guys as it looks like you already have plenty.

Any advice, comment, and/or criticism greatly appreciated.

Klingon Mage 12:45, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Welcome, Klingon Mage. Thanks for joining us. We definately need help developing builder resources, so that's great! I'll try to pitch in where I can as well. -- Austicke 18:49, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Suggestion: At present we have a main page category "Toolset" and then I've added another "Builder How-To". However, mightn't it be better to have a main page category "Builder Resources" and then show Toolset, Builder How-To et al as subcategories? Seems like that would be a more logical arrangement in keeping with the current neat clean main page. Klingon Mage

Ok Im not even going to pretend that I know anything about building. So, how many category's do you think could go under that heading? Should we keep it as it is now? Could have "Builder Rescourse", "Script Rescourse", etc? Just throwing ideas around the moment. -- Pstarky 03:17, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I added a bunch of basic wiki tips on your talk page, Klingon Mage. -- Austicke 07:08, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Tips noted and logged, Austicke. Pstarky: What I envision is a single "Builders" category. Under it would fall the general Toolset category, Probably a "How To" category and, if they are interested, maybe even some subcategories for things like the CEP, Hardcore Rules, PRC, etc. Make sense? Klingon Mage 08:11, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Yep, sounds good. So its almost runs along the same idea Llandru's had on Main Page Discussion Categories? -- Pstarky 08:20, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT) (Link corrected. --The Krit 01:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC))

I noticed that too. In fact it might have spawned my own idea...can't remember...Klingon Mage 08:50, 29 Sep 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Warning template

Can we make a template like {{stub}} for warnings/pointing them to Sandbox to people that make funny edits? My spelling it not the best at times. -- Pstarky 13:41, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Hehe, I like how you rephrased that. It's not uncommon to get a lot of newbies, so we need to be nice and hopefully help them to be good contributors. I can setup a template. -- Austicke 13:50, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Thanks Alec. I dont want things to go down hill, when they just got off the ground. :) -- Pstarky 13:56, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

Okay, it only took me three months, but I finally created a warning template. Just enter {{practice}} to point them to the Sandbox for practice edits. -- Austicke 07:46, 20 Dec 2005 (PST)

LOL I forgot about this. Thanks Alec. -- Pstarky 12:00, 20 Dec 2005 (PST)

[edit] Vacation

I always have great timing. We get a BioWare Wednesday feature, activity is picking up, and I immediately go on vacation. I'll only be gone through the weekend though, so see you next week. Pstarky is a sysop, so he can help with anything in the meantime. Thanks! -- Austicke 18:52, 28 Sep 2005 (PDT)

I'm back from vacation and very happy to see there's been over 1,500 edits since I left. That's great, but now I want to review them all. Oy! -- Austicke 11:17, 4 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I finally finished reviewing all the edits while I was away. Whew! -- Austicke 23:51, 6 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Article vs Category view

• Not sure if this is the place to reach you, but have a look at the Damage type vs Category:Damage types section. I think this is the way that we are saying it should be done, with as much information in the article as possible (including it linking to the category) and a simple reference in the category back to the article. Enigmatic 21:22, 4 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• Perfect! -- Austicke 21:24, 4 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Red Dragon Disciple

Red Dragon Disciple		Epic Red Dragon Disciple
Hit Die:
d6		d12
Proficiencies:
None
Skill Points:
2 + Int mod
Requirements
Class:	Bard or Sorcerer	Lvl 10 Red Dragon Disciple
Skills:	Lore 8

[edit] Style Guide

I think we need a [[NWNWiki:Style Guide|Style Guide]] that is easily accessible and understood. Things like what to do (use the "Move page" button instead of blanking) and what not to do (cramp one mass of text with no formatting), how should tables be presented (avoid embedded tables), etc. This will give the wiki a consistent appearance and ease-of-use. What do you think? --Miborovsky 14:26, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT) (Dead link removed. --The Krit 01:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC))

Good idea! I already started NWNWiki:Manual of Style, but there isn't much there yet. -- Austicke 15:04, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I just did a partially completed infobox. Tell me if you like it. If so I can go on and make it look nicer.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 15:34, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

It looks good, Miborovsky. I don't think we'd want to remove the other details, but it'd be nice to have a common info box like that. Very nice. -- Austicke 18:37, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• Try it out on one of the more complex classes that have more requirements (ie Weapon Master) and see how it goes. Enigmatic 18:39, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Done. Not very presentable, the feats section, but I can do something with it using up-down instead of left-right...

• Why not try putting the "Lvl 10 Weapon Master" under requirements and allowing the feats etc to go the full length of the border? Enigmatic 23:16, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Well, I wanted for the right side to be Epic-specific. But I guess there is no requirements for Epic characters besides being lvl 10 in that class, so I guess we could take it out. But all the epic feats etc need to go somewhere.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 23:36, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Im with Alec, with keeping the information as it is. It still would be good to have that infobox for a quick reference for those that need a small reminder what is required for the class, and the HD/Skill they get. Tring to add all the info into the box/table is just going to look too messy. (sorry Enigmatic) -- Pstarky 02:49, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I just had a look at changing the Weapon Master infobox. What do people think? -- Pstarky 05:11, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

How about just getting a few vitalstatistix and leaving the rest... somewhere?
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 22:46, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• It might be nice to have extrapolated information there as well. For instance, the Weapon Master box doesn't say that you need to have a Dex of 13 and an Int of 13, yet these are pre-requisites in order to get Expertise and Dodge respectively. Thus if someone was wanting to have a "quick" look to see if they can be a Weapon Master, it isn't immediately obvious from the stat box that they need this. In this sense you are offering a lot more than just the hard facts, and it lets people know what the total feats are they need to choose (ie if a Pre-req feat is listed but those required to get that are not listed, you would list it here so they know they need to take it). I also wonder how it would look for base classes as well. These have a lot less requirements (ie sometimes alignment, some have min stat scores) and we wouldn't want to just use the box for prestige classes only. Enigmatic 01:56, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Weapons Master

]
Weapon Master		Epic Weapon Master
Hit Die:
d10
Proficiencies:
None
Skill Points:
2 + Int mod
Requirements
Base Attack Bonus:	+5	Lvl 10 Weapon Master
Feats:	Dodge, Mobility, Expertise, Spring attack, Weapon Focus (melee weapon), Whirlwind Attack
Skills:	Intimidate 4

Weapons Master

]
Weapon Master		Epic Weapon Master
Hit Die:
d10
Proficiencies:
None
Skill Points:
2 + Int mod
Required feats: Dodge, Mobility, Expertise, Spring attack, Weapon Focus (melee weapon), Whirlwind Attack
Requirements
BAB:	+5	Level 10 Weapon Master
Skills:	Intimidate 4

Now that, is wonderfully confusing, I mean really really confusing. On initial appearance it says that in order to become RDD u need bard/sorc + lore 8 + RDD lvl 10. If u want to divide the pre-epic from the epic u need to continue the division split down the middle of the table. But personally I don't see the point of defining when a class hits epic (as base hit it all at 21, and prcs at 11, with no other requisites). Basic appearance says "we put this in a table just to have it in a table".--Defunc7 06:58, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Yeah I agree, which is why I think we can just include the vital stats and stash the rest somewhere else.
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 20:48, 13 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Purpose

Another thing. It would be the most sensible to make the focus of this wiki NOT simply character class descriptions and such, things that would be found with little effort in the manual. The best thing would be to have, for example, on the RDD, a box with a picture, listing it's vital statistics, feats, blahblahblah, with the main feature being user-input and notes and tips and suggestions, and guides from various forumnites if we can get their opinion. Thoughts?
-- Миборовский ^U|T|C|E 14:37, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Exactly. It's nice to have the basics, but I'd like see the notes section of articles expand with tips and tricks. -- Austicke 15:05, 9 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Well I am not up for removing any information or reduction the amount of information we have now. Everyone has/is adding notes/tips/hints already, so this purpose has started already. Yes most of this information is in the manuals, but quiet a bit of that information is wrong or misleading in the manuals. We have tried/tring to fix those errors and make that information that was misleading a bit clearer, by changing the information in the classes or decriptions to the correct information or/and add Notes/tips/ints. One of the hopes (well atleast for me) of this wiki was that people wouldnt have to pick up a manual (Sorry BioWare. :) ) and hope the information was correct. They could just come here and get all the information they need and know it is the right information and have some helpful notes/tips/hints. Look Im all for those infoboxes, they are a great idea. They would be great to have at the the beginning of each article as a quick reference or have a Quick Reference article linked from the main article. Sorry if I come out sounding rude here. -- Pstarky 03:26, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

I like it the way it is right now, Wiki provides some automation for moving around the article when it becomes large enough & when u've put in sub-divides. Stuffing things into tables when u don't really have a need becomes an additional level of confusion for people unfamiliar with the layout. u want tables for stuff like level progression because alot of info alters for each level, e.g. xp goes up, max skill level goes up etc. u want tables for weapons because each weapon has the same info about it, no more, no less. With classes though there's alot of variation between abilties, pre-reqs, free feats etc.--Defunc7 07:07, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Cascading Style Sheet

• Just out of curiosity, I noticed on the Star Wars Wiki that they were using classes, and wondered if we have access to a NWN specific stylesheet for here (ie the skin one)? Reason I ask is that some of the templates we are creating could potentially benefit from using CSS so that we could have a "default" setting for all tables, and possibly even "pretty up" certain things around the place through some prudent use of a style sheet. Enigmatic 17:29, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• You're speaking greek to me. :) I use the MediaWiki software and have access to all the files on the server. I'm happy to make any improvements, but I'll need you to walk me through it. -- Austicke 17:47, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• There should be a file on the server called /skins/monobook/main.css. Its whats known as a Cascading Style Sheet. You can effectively re-skin the page by simply changing the features that each style (called a class) has. So if I were to add {| class="weapon" to a table, then it would look up a style in this stylesheet called "weapon" and apply that style. What it means is we can then make our own styles for things which are specific to NWN. We could come up with a specific set of colours/borders etc for when we display the class box that is being developed, can re-format the weapons template, etc, etc. Have a look at the character template that they use in the Star Wars site, see how it is nicely layed out and has specific fonts/colours. That all comes from the style sheet. It makes rendering easier and allows us to remove ALL wiki text that relates to how something should look (by moving it to the stylesheet) Enigmatic 18:56, 10 Oct 2005 (PDT)

• Yeah, here's the file: [1]. I'm open to customizing it; but, as I said, I'm going to need to rely on others' expertise. -- Austicke 15:30, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] HCR documentation ???

Hi Austicke, Great site! This is going to take off. I think I need a ruling from you. You have on the front page a warning about using copyrighted material. We are going to start documenting work on the HCR (Hard Core Rules) project. This project has a declared (c) copyright notice here. Can we document it here on your website? Now, along that same line, the scripting can also be used as documentation. Please take a look at some of my comments on HCR on my talk page for more information about what I am proposing. I guess I am asking for more clarification on what you will and will not allow on NWNWiki. I intend to clearly declare any work as public domain, and because it's wiki-ized, it truly will be public domain! Not even I, nor you, have real control over but what small parts we modify. Brick Thrower 01:05, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

Any copyright warnings came default with the MediaWiki software. I have no desire to violate copyrights, but I can't imagine anyone would object to documenting custom content here. Besides, I'm not sure the EULA allows people to claim ownership of anything made with the toolset. I'm no lawyer though. Bottom line, I welcome any NWN-related documentation here. -- Austicke 15:37, 11 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Lame excuses why I haven't been active

Been busy. -- Austicke 04:06, 26 Oct 2005 (PDT)

u'r right, that is lame :p --Defunc7 15:17, 26 Oct 2005 (PDT)

[edit] Spelling errors

Is the spelling errors function of NWNWiki working correctly? I'm fixing every instance of coupe de grâce I can find, but it does not become removed from the list. myztikgohan 09:50, 4 Nov 2005 (PST)

Well, if you fixed them all, it must not be working properly. -- Austicke 12:16, 4 Nov 2005 (PST)

Dont forget the Wanted list also seems to be malfunctioning. -- Chrominium 13:25, 4 Nov 2005 (PST)

Oh? It's the first I'm hearing of it. Something is wrong with Special:Wantedpages? Can you explain further please? -- Austicke 16:57, 4 Nov 2005 (PST)

The second most wanted pages is the [[Arcane Spell Failure]] at #2 on the list. But if you go to the list of links, the links listed all now points to a valid page as they now point to Spell failure. I've made a note here Talk:Spell_failure. -- Chrominium 03:00, 5 Nov 2005 (PST) (Dead link removed. --The Krit 01:23, 25 January 2008 (UTC))

Ah, I see what you mean. -- Austicke 16:03, 5 Nov 2005 (PST)

So is there any way to make it work properly? Were you aware it was malfunctioning? 70.181.76.25 01:59, 6 Nov 2005 (PST)

It's apparently caching some earlier results. I'll have to look into it. -- Austicke 09:02, 6 Nov 2005 (PST)

Wikipedia has a message to that effect "The following data is cached and may not be completely up to date." on their Wanted Page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Wantedpages --Brick Thrower 12:36, 6 Nov 2005 (PST)

That's funny. :) I guess we need one too although its been like this for a *long* time. Does the cache get updated once a month? -- Chrominium 02:02, 7 Nov 2005 (PST)

• Spelling errors? --Shuder-- While my native tonge is english I an an engineer by trade. Thus my spelling and grammer are terriable. Thanks for cleaning it up and sorry for the extra work. DaBear 06:14, 17 Nov 2005 (PST)

• just created both "Epic warding" and "Epic Warding" redirects... not sure if this is correct. is this stuff case sensitive? please correct if necessary. thanks :) -- Jjjhhhlll 20:02, 21 Nov 2005 (PST)

• It is case sensitive. -- Austicke 08:20, 22 Nov 2005 (PST)

So how is the "looking into" going? The list still does not function properly. -- 209.232.148.109

A Google search found this. It's a known bug; you need to do a dummy edit of each page to update the table. I'll take care of the armor ones. -- Austicke 10:40, 28 Nov 2005 (PST)

[edit] Uploading Files

• Hi Austicke! I tried to upload a non-graphic image file today and was refused. I can't locate further information on this issue and was hoping that you could clear up my file issue. I would like to eventually upload files of type ERF, NSS, PDF, and other non-general file formats; that is, files other than txt, png, gif, jpg, etc. Is this possible? Thanks. //Brick Thrower 02:17, 7 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Yeah, I think I need to enable it. I'll look into it. -- Austicke 09:50, 7 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Done. The following file types are allowed: 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg', 'pdf', 'doc', 'xls', 'ppt', 'mp3', 'zip', 'rar', 'mod', 'erf', 'nss', 'ncs' - Did I miss anything? -- Austicke 19:29, 7 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Yes. Add .hak and .tlk for custom content peeps, pls. Klingon Mage 08:11, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • I think I had assumed those file types would be included in zip or rar compressed files, but I can add 'em anyway. Will do. -- Austicke 13:03, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Done. Here's the current list: 'png', 'gif', 'jpg', 'jpeg', 'ogg', 'txt', 'pdf', 'doc', 'xls', 'ppt', 'mp3', 'zip', 'rar', 'mod', 'erf', 'nss', 'ncs', 'hak', 'tlk' -- Austicke 21:03, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

[edit] Spam Outbreak

Good lord at the spammers yesterday! Not just posting pron links but actually hacking the wiki code to make it not work right (&quot etc.). It's certainly starting to look as if you're going to have to make it so you have to register to edit. A move you aren't in favor of I know, and one I support, as all know all too well ;) Just thought I would throw the idea out on the table again to see how people feel about it now. Klingon Mage 08:09, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

• When the spammers start posting more than the Users is when I say yes. There are probably 7 posts from anonymous users to every 3 posts from logged in users, says the eyeball search of Recent changes. Ride out the storm; they come in waves, and when they see the steadfast diligence of the sysops, they usually find better hunting grounds elsewhere. I think that there are many who will not post just because they have to hurdle the login account entry. Don't you think that there are many good posts from those listed just by IP? // Brick Thrower 09:42, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
• It usually hits around midnight GMT. Give it a couple of days and it might clear up. Maybe even make registration needed for a couple of days & then remove to see if that doesn't deter. If I was being silly, I'd suspect that "rival" NWN2wiwi. --Defunc7 09:57, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • I'm sure you're just being silly, Defunc7. They certainly don't have anything to do with the massive DDOS attack on my web host. :) Seriously, I'm amazed I haven't noticed any web site issues with what someone threw at DreamHost. -- Austicke 22:50, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Brick Thrower is right that we get a lot of edits from unregistered people. The Spam Blacklist will stop a good bit of it, but the spammers are always working out new ways to get around it. I've reported all the recent hits to blacklist. We just need to be diligent and keep on top of it. If Wikipedia (with 862,000 articles) can allow anonymous contributions, we can too. (But they've actually been in the news lately about this issue believe it or not [2].) -- Austicke 13:12, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
• I think the wikipedia stuff was more to do with people writing lies in (e.g. Bill Clinton is black) than spammers.--Defunc7 14:17, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • Yeah, the recent news about Wikipedia doesn't have anything to do with spam, but it does have to do with allowing anonymous users to edit pages. On Wikipedia, someone anonymously added some defamatory things about a person, and the person wrote a USA Today op ed piece criticizing Wikipedia. However, they've now tracked the anonymous editor down via the IP address, and it turns out they were a family friend just playing a lame joke. Many people were saying Wikipedia should require registration though. It's a never-ending debate on wikis. -- Austicke 15:28, 13 Dec 2005 (PST)

[edit] Flushing/purging/archiving talk pages

• What's your feel on purging or archiving some of the discussion on talk pages? In particular, now that all the HcR BS has passed, I for one would like to see all that discussion done away with. In addition, some talk pages (and I hope you recognize your own here ;)) have become so cluttered with old discussion that it can often be hard to find the desired information or figure out where to post your own question or comment. Just a thought. Klingon Mage 06:59, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Discussions shouldn't be deleted; but, if it's no longer relevant, it can be archived. I created an archive page for NWNWiki talk:Community Portal and also for my own page here. Others are welcome to do the same. The HCR stuff on the community portal is archived; what else is there? I think Talk:Hardcore Ruleset is still relevant, because I don't want people altering that page without first discussing it. -- Austicke 07:12, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • I can't disagree with that. Ok the archive page thing makes sense. I'll look into it. Most of the stuff on my own talk page I just deleted though I could revert and archive, I suppose. Thanks for the info!!! Klingon Mage 08:13, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• I archived some messages from here and Talk:Main Page. Anything else you want me to take care of? -- Austicke 07:24, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
  • LOL I was actually sort of teasing you about your own talk page, bro.  ;) (there was an awful lot of stuff here tho...) Klingon Mage 08:13, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Klingon, I should add that what you do with your own user page and talk page is up to you. My personal preference is to archive; but, if you want to delete old discussions on your page, that's your right. However, that's not the case with the rest of the wiki; we should archive old discussions. What can I say? I'm a pack rat. -- Austicke 08:19, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Is there a quick and easy way to move things to archive? Or is it just open two windows, cut, and paste? Klingon Mage 09:20, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• Exactly. You can create any subpage with just a slash and the subpage name. For example, User talk:Klingon Mage/Archive. The text needs to be moved manually, but it's pretty simple to do. -- Austicke 09:37, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• This is a good use of threads in a forum. As the discussion grows, the Users stay focused only upon the current issue at hand without having to be bothered with "old" talk. All the messages stay on line, so they all be searched all the time. In this way, "old" threads become alive again as more interest develops. If we take a look at, say *cough* HCR *cough* forums, they have over 26,000 individual messages, all of them searchable, and none archived. If we assume NWN2 lives for as long as NWN1 did/does, that's ~4 years. *wink* I think forums would be a good idea. :) // Brick Thrower 11:28, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)
• We can certainly add a forum if needed, but please note that all pages on this wiki (including archived pages) can be searched. -- Austicke 14:58, 19 Dec 2005 (PST)

[edit] Welcoming me

Again, welcome, Evilphoenix. We need some Wikipedia experts here to guide us and show us all the tricks of the trade. :) -- Austicke 22:13, 21 Dec 2005 (PST)

Sure thing. Any questions you have, feel free to ask. Evilphoenix 16:37, 22 Dec 2005 (PST)