Talk:Great cleave
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[edit] Strength pre-req
Is Str 13 really a prerequisite for this feat? I think as a monk (who gets Cleave for free at level 1) you can get it with lower strength (can't check that right now). -- Olivenmann
- Just to clarify. The prerequisite are required to get Great Cleave. This also means the Monk must get STR 13, BAB+4 and Power Attack. -- Chrominium 02:06, 28 Oct 2005 (PDT)
[edit] How do the extra attacks work?
Does this mean you keep making attacks until you miss? --66.93.11.67 October 2005
- I think it means that you get to keep attacking, and on each attack, if you kill your opponent, _then_ you can repeat. Just chews goblin hordes up! IOW, if you get another attack, and it does not kill the opponent, then your Great Cleave frenzy is over. Isn't that right? --Brick Thrower 12:36, 27 Oct 2005 (PDT)
- Correct. -- Pstarky 20:20, 27 Oct 2005 (PDT)
- Great Cleave allows you to get 1 free (extra) attack for each enemy you kill in that round. Although 1 hit kills help, it is not necessary. -- Chrominium 02:06, 28 Oct 2005 (PDT)
[edit] One-hit note discussion
74.96.127.60, I would disagree with your edit: "There is a common misconception that subsequent cleaves in the round are only possible if the previous cleave results in the death of an enemy, but this is not true." Not only does the talk page support the previous version of the notes section, but personal observation also confirms that secondary, tertiary, etc., cleaves only happen if the cleaved victim perishes due to the cleave attack, as outlined in the previous version of the article's notes section. Alaisiagae 19:59, 13 December 2006 (PST)
- I'm using Great Cleave right now with a dexterity-based fighter doing 7 attacks per round. One-hit kills are not required. I should get a screen shot. People on the Bioware boards confirm this too. 74.96.127.60 20:07, 13 December 2006 (PST)
- I don't know what mod you're using. I've played my level 40 monk and my level 40 fighter a million times and they ONLY get great cleaves when they kill the last cleaved enemy in one hit, as of 1.68. The note is completely wrong and needs to be changed. --169.231.7.171 03:36, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- How closely are you watching the end of the combat round? I just ran two tests (using NWN 1.68). I created a situation in which my dual-wielding PC would fairly often kill two opponents in a single round, one with the main hand, and one with the off-hand. This assures that both kills were in the same round (since the off-hand attack marks the end of the combat round) and that the second kill was not the result of a cleave (since I did not take improved two-weapon fighting).
- When my PC had cleave, but not great cleave, a cleave attack was triggered by the main-hand kill, but not by the off-hand kill.
- When my PC had great cleave, a great cleave attack was triggered by the main-hand kill, and a second great cleave attack was triggered by the off-hand kill.
- I think that shows that the note was not completely wrong. However, it was a bit convoluted, so I revised it as I brought it back. --The Krit 16:00, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
- How closely are you watching the end of the combat round? I just ran two tests (using NWN 1.68). I created a situation in which my dual-wielding PC would fairly often kill two opponents in a single round, one with the main hand, and one with the off-hand. This assures that both kills were in the same round (since the off-hand attack marks the end of the combat round) and that the second kill was not the result of a cleave (since I did not take improved two-weapon fighting).
[edit] 12 attack cap
- By using great cleave I have gotten well over 12 attacks between off-hand attacks.What exact effect does the 12 attack cap have? --RAMss 00:55, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
- Not sure myself, but Kail Pendragon added that note, and he usually gets things right. Sounds like we might need more people to check this out. --The Krit 17:15, 25 June 2008 (UTC)