Talk:Dragon shape
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I think we should note when the manual is wrong. In this case, someone will probably come along and change the requirement back to 6x after reading the documentation. We avoid confusion if we note manual errors in the notes section. -- Austicke 07:05, 20 Sep 2005 (PDT)
- True. -- Pstarky 08:22, 20 Sep 2005 (PDT)
It should be mentioned that the character sheet shows wrong information about when shifted.
In particular it does not show properly AB which is +4 compared to what shown: +6 AB from claws -2 AB due to size (huge) = +4 AB
It does not properly show the AC, which is -2 AC compared to what shown due to size (huge)
As you mentioned WF/EWF unarmed do not work, but the sheet says they do when calculating AB. EP works normally.
Also, dragon shape has +20 dodge AC bonus which counts towards the cap, therefore boni due to f.e. haste, defensive stance, bard song do not affect the dragon shape AC.
Dragon claws are +6 weapons not only with respect to DR penetration. The +6 bonus is applied both to AB and to damage. Hence, your maximum buffing AB capacity is +14 (+20 including STR buffs), or +18 (+24 including STR buffs) compared to what the sheet says for your unbuffed dragon shape AB.
Barkskin works normally giving you +5 AC (maximum bonus at 13+ druid lvl), that being natural armor AC bonus. It does count toward the cap.
Wisdom bonus to AC due to monk lvls, monk bonus to AC and Armor Skin feat are considered natural armor AC not counting towards the cap.
Cheers, Kail
[edit] Requirements
It says on the page, under notes, that the feat "Requires the Shifter prestige class (Hordes of the Underdark expansion pack)."
But it also says that "This is the only Epic Shape feat-choice which is available to Druids without Shifter levels."
Which one is right? -- 169.231.1.197 May 2007
- The epic shifter shapes are available at shifter level 10 including the dragon shape, naturally you must meet the 30 wisdom requirement
- Dragon shape is also available at druid level 15, again as long as you have the 30 wisdom 69.146.156.5 18:49, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
- " The epic shifter shapes are available at shifter level 10 including the dragon shape, naturally you must meet the 30 wisdom requirement Dragon shape is also available at druid level 15, again as long as you have the 30 wisdom 69.146.156.5 18:49, 10 May 2007 (PDT) "
- It's not 15, it's 14. -- 193.213.29.247 September 2007
[edit] Dragon Breath
- How many times can the druid use this ability while in dragon form? Harleyquin 15:58, 15 May 2006 (PDT)
- I figured it out, it's unlimited uses per day Harleyquin 18:07, 15 May 2006 (PDT)
- I'm not sure whether the shifter green dragon breath poison is epic wyvern poison or Wraith Spider venom. Could someone help verify which one it is (I've guessed wyvern poison for the article). Harleyquin 12:22, 9 June 2006 (PDT)
- Since no one thinks my entries actually matter I've tried to do testing myself. It seems my first guess was right and that epic wyvern poison is used. Harleyquin 08:27, 10 June 2006 (PDT)
[edit] dragon breath clarification?
I noticed that this was recently changed to '-4 damage penalty to both DC and damage'. Does that mean the penalty is of type damage? or it should really mean, -4 penalty to damage only? -- Chrominium 09:22, 13 October 2006 (PDT)
- If you are a druid only, i.e. no shifter class, then the dragon shape will receive -4 penalty to the breath DC 69.146.156.5 18:52, 10 May 2007 (PDT)
Someone seems to have change this article to say that haste stacks in Dragon form. It would be interesting if haste stacked in Dragon form when it doesn’t normally stack. I guessing they mean you still get the Dodge bonus associated with haste, which is true but isn’t truly stacking IMO and is irrelevant in this article as the Dragon shape gets 20 dodge AC anyway. I’ll change it back if someone agrees or they can just change it back when they read this. --EmpireGuard 23:05, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
- Ok no one seemed to dispute this so I have changed it from "Properties except for regeneration and haste do not stack. Only the highest AC bonus from armor (armor, shield, helmet) will merge." to "All Properties except for regeneration do not stack. Only the highest AC bonus from armor (armor, shield, helmet) will merge." if any wants to change it back again please just leave a note saying why. --EmpireGuard 02:31, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
Version 1.69 should have made weapon finesse work in dragon shape, but I'm not going to change the article without checking this specifically in-game. Anyone want to beat me to it? --The Krit 01:29, 30 August 2008 (UTC)